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spranger

Aug 28, 07 - 11:31 AM

VDW

For those who want a quick look at VDW to see what its all about, the link below is just one site.
If I get 3/4 VDW bets a week out of it im happy. my way is to buy and sell prices and take a profit.
Some people lay certain horses.
One or two I know bet very large amounts and rarely loose.
You need at least 6 months to sort out in your mind what he meant in his letters. Dont think that those who critisize VDW know what their talking about, they dont. There are at least two hidden messages, one is there for all to see but you have to think about it. The other was given out on a site but was originally told in confidence. Its interesting but not vital.
spranger ( starting price range ) sp range r

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/jackform/advice.html

Mike

Aug 28th, 2007 - 4:37 PM

Re: VDW

Thanks mate, it's interesting. Could you give us a clue where to look on that page for the 'hidden elements', I know I'm lazy.

Bricks Marlin

Sep 3rd, 2007 - 11:24 PM

Re: VDW

Does anyone know if there are any VDW discussion boards still going on the net?I have done a few searches but can't find any.

The old Gummy board used to be a very lively place, full of debate,in it's heyday.

spranger

Sep 4th, 2007 - 1:46 PM

Re: VDW

Hi All
Most VDW groups have gone. There is a privare one but I dont know the whereabouts of it now. Theracingforum have one that comes to life now and a again.
If you buy the new book I think there is some mention of a forum run by Tony Peach.
sp

Bricks Marlin

Sep 4th, 2007 - 9:38 PM

Re: VDW

Thanks sp,

I’ve had a look at the racingforum that you mentioned.

I was on the Gummy board and then later on the Tony Peach site. I used to post as bream on Gummy. Maybe we have “met” before?

Unfortunately due to work and family pressures, I couldn’t take best advantage of all of the hints that people were prepared to offer on those boards, although I did pick up a fair bit about the methodology.

When some people on the Tony Peach board started talk of forming a sort of inner sanctum, for the really dedicated members to exchange views, I certainly didn’t feel that I could contribute enough and felt that in fairness I should bow out.

I have more time on my hands now and my interest in the methodology has always remained. It is a shame, from my point of view, that there is not the same level of discussion about it these days. Perhaps it has been picked over that many times that most people have now become bored with it.

C’est la vie.

spranger

Sep 5th, 2007 - 11:33 AM

Re: VDW

Hi Bricks Marlin
If I had time on my hands I would love to recreate VDW so everyone could access it. By that I mean with all the races planned out and all the terminology written and explained. Maybe when I retire!!!!
On a different note. The VDW ratings and the speed figures are coming in very handy. I am now transferring races to a database for different age groups and different race types. Long hours spent on research but showing the first fruits already.
sp

Monster

Sep 5th, 2007 - 2:56 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Bricks

There are some articles on the following links

http://racetipsuk.tripod.com/van_der_wheil_method.htm#Van%20Der%20Wheil%20Method

http://racetipsuk.tripod.com/van_der_wheil_method.htm#A%20METHOD%20BY%20C%20Van%20der%20Wheil

In the Book written by Jock Bingham The final page carried the heading VDW Sets A Puzzle' Jock was asked to solve a race that was won by Travado. VDW stated This is done quite differently from anything I have shown to date

Jock did not manage to work out why Travado was selected by VDW

This may be how VDW selected Travado

The race that VDW mentioned, which Travado won at 5/2, was at Huntingdon 21/11/95,The Peterborough Chase.

The prep race before the Huntindon race was at Exeter on 31/10/95,The Plmouth Gin Challange Cup, a Topspeed fig of 128 was recorded by Travado

VDW encouraged readers to get to know the trainers habits. (If you want to know where the coach is going, ask the coach driver)

When I examined the career history of Travado I realised that VDW new exactly what the trainer had in mind after the Exeter run.

Two years earlier, Travado ran in guess what?

31/10/1993 Exeter The Plymouth Gin Challenge Cup recording a Topspeed Figure of 127. Then onto Huntingdon and wins The Peterborough Chase

Two of the other selections he mentioned followed the same approach. Ever Smile and Valiant Warrior.

Good Luck

Monster

xerxes

Sep 5th, 2007 - 5:53 PM

Re: VDW

just looked at following site, may be of interest.

xerxes

Sep 5th, 2007 - 5:56 PM

Re: VDW

WHOOPS, www.wanderwhiel.co.uk

spranger

Sep 6th, 2007 - 11:24 AM

Re: VDW

A lot of work Monster
Nice to see your interest in VDW. Can you recall the position in the betting in Travado's last 3 races prior to the race puzzle?
sp

spranger

Sep 6th, 2007 - 11:27 AM

Re: VDW

xerxes
Do you mean www.vanderwheil.co.uk ?
sp

xerxes

Sep 6th, 2007 - 12:19 PM

Re: VDW

sorry, YES.

Mtoto

Sep 6th, 2007 - 2:15 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Bream/Monster.

I found this forum by accident when going through looking for site with an interest in VDW.

I am having a slight altercation with the RFU forum editor who claims VDW is nonsense. They ran a VDW day in/on the forum to see what other think about VDW, waste of time or still paying its way.

I have no idea how many posts that forum usually receives in a given week, but I was disappointed at the lack of response (five or six letters) So I was trying to have a quick look and see if the interest in VDW had dropped off on the web. The problem with that is any serious discussion of VDW goes on behind closed doors. This is mainly down to the doubters (who always have plenty to say) and the lurkers who of course say nothing.

There is/was a very good little forum set up by Fulham, but that is now dying the death because of the know alls that will explain nothing, just that's all wrong read the books again, and of course the lurkers.

The only active VDW forum I know of is by invation only. Races are discussed before the off and members DO go into some detail how they work, and why they think as they do about the old examples.

Monster thinking about it you may not know Mtoto but hopefully you will remember Stone (Danny) my son he joined the Peach forum.

Be Lucky

Monster

Sep 6th, 2007 - 2:26 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Spranger

According to the Racing Post, The SP for travado's last 3 runs were
30/100
9/2
13/2

You may find that some trainers are creatures of Habit.

Sergeant Cecil
2006
Ran in the John Porter (Prep Race) (Distance Too Short)
Next ran in the Yorkshire Cup placed 2nd

2007
Ran in John Porter (Prep)
Next Yorkshire Cup, won

Other Trainer Angles

Check out the Daily Mail 'Trainer Target' which lists trainers who are contested races that they have won before.(Farming races with different runners)

Recent example

Veenwouden: The Trainer had won the Salisbury race before. Used Newbury as part of the Prep (10f ) and upped in Trip. Veenwouden was upped in trip and had a decent run over 10f at Newbury. Won at 3/1 but was available earlier in the day at 12.00 on BF. This one would have been ideal for your Trading strategy.

Good Luck

Monster

Monster

Sep 6th, 2007 - 2:39 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto

I remember Danny very well from the Peach Forum. the last I remember you and he were doing some interesting stuff with ratings that were close to the ones that VDW devised for himself as he never gave away how he compiled them, your efforts were doing very well.

My claim to fame was picking the winners on the Forum of the Lancashire Oaks and the Old Newton Cup, (In advance) although I only backed Playful Act

I dropped out of the Forum when they wanted to charge £10 for using it. what a cheek we were giving away what we had learned and then intended charging us for helping other who were new to VDW.

Good Luck

Monster

spranger

Sep 6th, 2007 - 4:50 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto
Nice email to the Update Forum.
Well Done
sp

spranger

Sep 6th, 2007 - 4:59 PM

Re: VDW

IF ANYONE WANTS TO LEARN ABOUT VAN DER WHEIL THEN READ WHAT MONSTER AND MTOTO HAVE TO SAY.THEY KNOW THEIR STUFF AND WILL SHARE A BIT WITH YOU WITHOUT GETTING TOO IRATE.EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN VIEWS ON VAN DER WHEIL. I KNOW I WILL READ ANYTHING THEY PUT ON THE FORUM AND LOOK INTO IT WITH INTEREST.
SP

Mtoto

Sep 6th, 2007 - 6:07 PM

Re: VDW

Monster,

Too be honest I never joined the Peach forum because I'm not sure if the owner of these forums can use any of the postings for their own use. As far as I'm concerned Mr Peach has made more than enough money out of VDW, and I didn't want to give him anymore ammunition for yet another book. If Mr Peach had any real interest in VDW I think he could have done far more in investigating the anomalies that already exists in the books he has printed/published. I note he has yet another booklet out, if one buys it it is just another £15 down the drain, as I can't find anything in it that advances the understanding of VDW.

SP,

Glad you liked the article in the RFU. Afraid Mr Wheldon got right up my nose. If someone has had a serious look/study of VDW and doesn't like it fair enough. I don't know what GW knows about VDW but to say its nonsense is right out of order. I think the least he should do is explain why he thinks as he does.

Be Lucky

Monster

Sep 6th, 2007 - 6:54 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto

My understanding is that anything you submit on a Forum remains the copyright of the Author, so Tony Peach would not be able to publish in a Book or Ebook Format without your permission.

Sad Ken published some of his concepts in an Ebook which I think Tony Peach was involved in.

How is Danny, I hope he is keeping well.

Good Luck

Monster

Bricks Marlin

Sep 6th, 2007 - 10:27 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Monster,

Many thanks for the pointers.I’ve had a look and I think I see what you mean. I’ve had a look at the other 3 horses mentioned as well. They seem to have been disadvantaged yet still put in decent performances in the past. It’s all very interesting.

VDW seems to have mentioned the bus driver on a couple of occasions and it surprises me how soon I forget it. It’s particularly surprising, seeing as how I puzzled for so long over Rifle Brigade and then, at least in my own mind, saw why it was labelled as an outstanding bet once I worked out what the trainer was up to.

Hi Mtoto,

It’s great to see you are still around on forums and still standing your ground. I well remember your difference of opinion with Guest over the ability rating.

I haven’t bought the RFU for years now, but I remember GW seemed negative in his attitude to the VDW writings. Plenty of people have rubbished the writings over the years of course, but anyone who says, in all seriousness, that VDW is rubbish, hasn’t got a clue what they are talking about. Whoever wrote those articles was way ahead of their time IMO. There are logical thought processes running through all the VDW selections that I have looked at so far, that are not coincidence.

Of course it is a completely different matter trying to replicate the results that VDW claimed, because I don't have the same depth of knowlege and I know that I still cannot see the full picture yet.

Mtoto

Sep 8th, 2007 - 9:08 PM

Re: VDW

Monster,

If its correct that the author hold the copyright I'm a little surprise Mr Peach was allowed to publish TGY and subsequent literature. As far as I can make out VDW and Mr Peach had fallen out before they were published. I though once something and been made public in a forum it was out of copyright. I wasn't about to take a chance with Mr Peach lurking in the back ground.

Danny is fine, he spends most of his time aboard, and following the England cricket team. He is well into this laying, it frightens me to death. Last week I had a phone call can Giganticus win? All I said was I wouldn't back it in that class at Chester, he laid for more than I care to think about!!

Be Lucky

Monster

Sep 8th, 2007 - 11:57 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto

If you send a letter to the Raceform Update Forum you own the Copyright but allows them to print for that publication only.

If you wish to make sure, you can always end each entry on any forum with Copyright Mtoto

There was a guy on the Peach Forum called Bepo who had terminal lung cancer. Do you know if he his still alive.

Good Luck

Monster

mtoto

Sep 9th, 2007 - 1:08 PM

Re: VDW

Monster,

I'm sorry to say Bepo is no longer with us. He was interesting as even with a very high strike rate he went back and revised his thinking.

Sad Ken has his own web site, and publishes his own books now. Although I did notice he has a link on the Browzers web site I don't think Mr Peach or Seddon are connected with him apart from the link. Ken is a member of the invitation only forum, and have to say some of his ideas are interesting. By nature he is very cautious and just narrows the field down to 3/4 and backs then all e/w. I spend a few happy hours working out the most likely winner from his selections by applying my ratings to them. I can't quite get my head around backing more than one horse in a race, although I do find the place only bet a god send.

Be Lucky

Monster

Sep 9th, 2007 - 3:08 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto

I'm Very sorry to hear about Beppo I enjoyed his contributions and was hoping he would beat the odds.

Good Luck
Monster

Mtoto

Sep 10th, 2007 - 9:28 PM

Re: VDW

I notice this thread is getting quite a few hits. I'm also fairly sure its not because folk want to read about Monster's and my past experiences on other forums.

If by any chance it is in the hope of "learning" something about VDW, I'm happy (as I'm sure is Monster) to talk about our understanding of the subject. That is not to say we'll necessarily agree on some of the basics. I don't think the ability rating as explained in the literature is the method VDW actually used to measure ability. Whatever, the fundamentals of consistent form + ability + capability +, etc. still hold as good today as they did 30 years ago.

Be Lucky

Monster

Sep 10th, 2007 - 10:43 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto

I thought that I would make a contribution to get things going.

This will be old news for Mtoto but for those new to VDW, don't get too bogged down with the Ability and Consistency ratings. VDW gave many different aspects of finding if there is a winner in the race.

The key VDW adivice for me is to ask 'What is the Trainer up to' He suggested getting to know a few Trainers really well.

My last bet was yesterday and the horse was Realism Trained by Fahey

what do I know about Fahey

Fahey does well in Claimers, especially if they are Geldings and dropping in class, with a decent Jockey on board, his strike rate is over 40%

Realism is a 10f horse and had been running over 12f for his last two races. (VDW would suggest to ask yourself why run a horse who likes 10f over 12f)

The Roushayd method looked at how the Trainer brought the horse to the boil.

Fahey used a similar method

In his last race Realism was racing in a much higher class and you need to ask yourself did he show improvenment in this race. In finishing in 9th position you might think no, but it was good performance in this class.

Realism is now dropped into class (4) and back over 10f

Also note that he has won two class 2 races over this Course and distance, so no problems with the course and class of race.
early in the day was available at 4/1

There is a good american article on how a trainer may condition his runner. http://www.americanturf.com/pace/rayarticles.cfm?articleid=19

Good Luck

Monster

MIKE

Sep 11th, 2007 - 8:46 AM

Re: VDW

Hi Monster and Mtoto, thanks for all the posts.

I always thought that VDW was based on the ability and form ratings and first five or six in the betting?

Isn't what you arer suggesting about Realism just basic form reading? To me Realism didn't have good form or ability ratings, do you ignore these then?

Sorry for so many questions but am interested in VDW. If he called it a method which to mw is like a mechanical system, actual form reading is nothing methodical is it.

Thanks for all your help.

MIKE

Monster

Sep 11th, 2007 - 11:36 AM

Re: VDW

Hi Mike

VDW drip fed readers to avoid over load. The Ability and Consistency ratings were introduced to help narrow the field down and most example races were National Hunt. Ability and Consistency were just two of the many sign posts along the path. With regards Falt recognised that other methods may be needed and introduced the Roushayd example. (Can also be applied to NH Racing)

I'm also glad that you mentioned Form. Why do people think that VDW ignored the Form Book. There is a nice quote from VDW in Jock Binghams Book. " If you go into Hospital and they ask for your blood group, tell them its the 'THE FORM BOOK'"

To my mind the best VDW contribution was the little Booklet published by the Old Raceform "Systematic Betting" (I understand he hated the title)

In this Booklet he covers Form and Class.

One example he gave to explain class and form was 'the School's star athlete who appeared invincible would surely surely meet his 'Waterloo' if faced with olympic quality opposition. He goes on to say Logically, the relative merit of form must be equated to the quality (Class) in which it was achieved.

VDW ends by stating when looking at the relative merits of one horse against another, these two elements class and form must be equated along with the other aspects such as distance, going, track, etc.
Whatever the form and class, a long striding galloping horse is almost bound to come unstuck on a sharp track.

Its worth noting that Roushayd was a long striding type. With regards to consistency figures they were 3 4 6 prior to winning. (Roushayd did show a different type of consistency when conditioned by his Trainer and racing over the correct distance, course and class)

With regards Trainers he states

Although not wishing to confuse anyone there is exposed form as understood by most and the less obvious form which, although just as exposed is not seen by the majority. Following trainers would soon aquaint you with this less obvious form.

I'm interested when you say "To me Realism didn't have good form or ability ratings"

Realism came out of a class 190 (VDW Class Ratings) and showed improved form on Speed Figures) It does not matter which LTO figures you use in this example, but as its Ian's site its only fair to examine Ian's.
Last 3 Speed figures 81 76 71

The next highest LTO class rating

Corriolanus (Class 170)
Last 3 Speed Figures 74 41 60

The rest were all coming out of much lower class.

Realism achieved his figure at York as well and was the only runner with a Course Speed figure

As I stated earlier Fahey has a strike rate of over 40% when he prepares as he did for Realism in Claimers.

Good Luck

Monster

Mtoto

Sep 11th, 2007 - 1:53 PM

Re: VDW

Mike.

For me VDW is based on class and form, these are the important aspects of the whole process. Looking at Monster's example (a race I didn't even look at) the first thing that jumps out at me is Realism certainly had both. The consistency rating and betting forecast are just one method VDW used to get into a race. Monster used another method (trainer).

I prefer the more basic approach. I want the horse to be at least in the lowest FIVE for consistency, not overly fussed about the forecast. I stick to the BETTER class races, I think this cuts out trying to second guess trainers. If the prize is big enough, and the horse is capable of winning it will be TRYING. So after rating the runners for ability, what is left is sorting out is can the horse act under these conditions? Here I will say I don't think the ability rating as explained in the books does an accurate job. I think VDW used the class rating as a measure of ability, this is the rating explained in Systematic Betting. Why do I think that? Simply because VDW said Prominent King DIDN'T have a WINNING class rating, but to have an ability rating (the one most use) he had to have won races.

Be Lucky

spranger

Sep 12th, 2007 - 2:22 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Monster
I will look at the American article when I get chance. I havnt much time at the moment due to my accounts having to be in by the end of the month.
One of my bets in 2002 was Bolin Eric ( £100 9/1 ) for the ST Ledger. Was you around at that time and if so how did you view the race from your angle?????
sp

Monster

Sep 12th, 2007 - 3:23 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Spranger

I was around at the time but did not bet in the race.

Very nice pick by you though. The Great Voltigeur (York) as prep race throws up a few winners and The Gordon stakes (Goodwood) is the other Prep race.

Good Luck

Monster

spranger

Sep 12th, 2007 - 10:22 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Monster
One of the reasons I brought up Bollin Eric was that after the St Ledger the horse was raced at slightly shorter distances and was then stepped back up to 2m.
The trainer quotes in the RP can be very useful as was the case with Bollin Eric. Do you use them yourself or do you use other sources???
sp

spranger

Sep 12th, 2007 - 10:35 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto
When you say you stick to the better class races do you prefer non handicap races??
sp

Monster

Sep 13th, 2007 - 12:12 AM

Re: VDW

Hi Spranger

yes I do check out the Trainer quotes in the RP. I also set up google alerts for anything to do with Trainers. Attheraces have stable tours which sometimes give clues for the future.

I also have alerts when Trainers have certain entries, i.e. Fahey geldings in claimers who are dropping in class, Prescott handicapers stepping up in distance and so on.

Another aspect is to check why horses are withdrawn, sometimes its because of the going and these might be interesting when they are next raced, as the trainer may have the horse on the boil and not want to waste a run on unsuitable going. http://www.britishhorseracing.com/goracing/racing/nonrunners/default.asp

Good Luck

Monster

Mtoto

Sep 13th, 2007 - 12:43 AM

Re: VDW

SP,

I now look at any race that is worth winning, the sort of races trainers plan for. For a long time I stuck to hcps only. I mistakenly thought the prices would be too tight in most none hcps. I changed that a few years ago and I'm glad I did. Some of my best bets have been in none hcps. Hardy Eustace for his first champion hurdle springs to mind, Warrsan at 12/1 in a SIX horse race is another.

I very seldom look at any race lower than a class 2. One exception is the very few hcps where the prize money far out weighs the usual class. £20,000 races for 90/95 rated horses.

My main aim is to cut out trying to second guess the trainer. If the prize is big enough I fairly happy that in most cases the horse will be fit and trying. My job is then to see if my figures agree with the trainer's ideas, and that the horse can handle the class and conditions of the race in question.

Be Lucky

Mtoto

Feb 11th, 2008 - 12:42 AM

Re: VDW

Hi,

Someone is interested enough to keep reading this thread although nothing new has been posted for quite awhile. What does slightly surprise me is although they are interested they don't bother to post. Can I ask why? It does seem to be a trend with VDW threads, very few bother to post. I started a VDW thread on TRF to ask a specific question of the members. That too has, died but folk keep logging in to read it, I notice it has 25,000 + hits.

Be Lucky

spranger

Feb 12th, 2008 - 10:09 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Mtoto
I think VDW needs a site of its own. At the moment I am concentrating on one small area of VDW. The reason being is I think its a small but very very important part.
VDW is amazing but frustrating when you have to shop around for old books to start you on the path to discover racing history.
I tend to be a maverick who works well as a single entity. I do not like asking for help and im having great fun in the process.
One influential person who was also a maverick has spurred me on and every time I looked at his selections I have found something different.
The part of VDW I have looked at for the past 6 months is to me the key part to his work. The rest of it is secondary at the moment and therefore i have not had put anything up.
Spranger

Joe Boy

Feb 14th, 2008 - 12:28 PM

Re: VDW

There is a lot of good discussion here about VDW ratings but using just thye VDW rating figure on Inform Racing is probably the most basic way I know of getting winners.

Top rated (must be a rating of 40 or more and all age races) just yesterday gave:

Dickie Le Davior Won 4/1
Majorca Won 9/2
Charlies Double Won 25/1
Highland Harvest Won 7/4
Marsam Won 15/2
Kalmo Bay Won 8/1

Not a bad day I suppose! I sometimes knock one or two out if recent form is bad but you can find these in minutes here.

Are others trying to complicate matters I wonder?

Good Luck.

Monster

Feb 14th, 2008 - 5:42 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Spranger & Mtoto

I have been busy compiling my own Class Ratings and the example (See Google doc Link below for the spreadsheet example) was posted pre race on another forum where I have been posting. So far I have posted nine other examples and 7 top rated have won. One member sugested a useful filter, which was that the top rated should be equal or greater to the race class figure (top right hand header)

In yesterdays example the top rated was also top rated by inform ( I always consult the inform figures)

In addition the top rated inform also had achieved the best figures in both LTO and 2nd LTO columns. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p3s9QcfHzuSXFRW6kWYj6AA

Good Luck

Monster

Monster

Feb 16th, 2008 - 12:39 PM

Re: VDW

Next Race 4.30 Lingfield 15/02/08

Class Ratings at the google.doc link below.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p3s9QcfHzuSW7OPj_anDKUw

Check out the Inform speed ratings.

Good Luck

Monster

Monster

Feb 20th, 2008 - 5:17 PM

Re: VDW

Posted today on another forum 3.35 Lingfield
Top Class Rated and ToP LTO Inform Speed Fig

See Google doc Link

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p3s9QcfHzuSUUf6xKEMqhDw

spranger

Feb 24th, 2008 - 8:17 PM

Re: VDW

Hi
Sorry I have been busy so only just seen your posts. very good results. keep up the good work. sp

Monster

Feb 24th, 2008 - 10:14 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Spranger

Record for the Class Ratings is now 10/13 (Posted in advance to another forum) Obviously only part of the selection platform but going in the right direction at 77% strike rate. Since applying the filter that the adjusted class rating should be equal or greater than the actual race class, the results have been 5/5

Full Record at the google link below.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p3s9QcfHzuSXG_M8fjScfAA

Good Luck

Monster

spranger

Feb 25th, 2008 - 7:52 AM

Re: VDW

HI Monster
Depending on your prices, 10 from 13 would be just as acceptable as 5 from 5.
If you have time can you look at the sporting life site and see how many of them had SP,s that fell before the off. Also it might be worth noting the last 3 racing post comments prior to the race in which it ran. For example ~Held up, progress 2 furlongs out. or -- led all drew clear ect. That kind of comment always helps me decide if im to have a bet or not. Must Dash.
sp

spranger

Feb 25th, 2008 - 11:16 AM

Re: VDW

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=px0a5Aj2lh0dKt2RoVnbxCA

tester

Monster

Feb 25th, 2008 - 11:29 AM

Re: VDW

Hi Spranger

I keep a data base of all the race comments, alongside the Class Rating achieved by each runner. I also like to see the replays of the race that the rating was achieved.

The top rated Class Ratings only highlights the class of the competion that the horse is competing against.

As an example Wicked Daze was well clear of the second rated. If you look at the class of race that he achieved his HC rating you will notice that it is higher than the Race Class Figure of 76.5 and Wicked Daze appears to be dropping in class and his adjusted rating is also up to the Race Class.

Now if you do the same for the rest of the runners, they all appear to be going up in class.

The unknown factors were if WD could perform over the unknown distance of 2miles. The CMP (CMP = Conduit Mare Profile) was 11 speed and 16 Stamina and another source held the opinion that the horse should get the distance based on breeding analysis.

Check on the Trainer/Jockey combo, 2miles at Lingfield in hancdicaps 2/4 Both the winners were stepped up to 2miles for the first time. WD was top on two sets of speed ratings. (Inform being one of the sets)

The Pace Figures from his last race were also promising (See Google Doc LINK)

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... U90oovpoBw

With the changing Sponsorship of races, I thought it was time to develop my own unique class ratings as part of the platform.

Good Luck

Monster

spranger

Feb 25th, 2008 - 11:40 AM

Re: VDW

Hi Monster your link http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... U90oovpoBw
does not seem to work.
sp

Joe Boy

Feb 25th, 2008 - 11:44 AM

Re: VDW

Hey Monster, on your spreadsheet links, can you explain what's what a bit in detail please and also I can only get sheet 1 up, sheet 2 and 3 show nothing. Thanks.

Monster

Feb 25th, 2008 - 1:10 PM

Re: VDW

HI Spranger

Try
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p3s9QcfHzuSUeU90oovpoBw

Good Luck

Monster

Monster

Feb 25th, 2008 - 1:13 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Joe

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p3s9QcfHzuSXG_M8fjScfAA
is the full record, try again.

Good Luck

Monster

spranger

Feb 25th, 2008 - 2:15 PM

Re: VDW

Hi Monster
Thanks for the data.
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